It actually was my cousin’s turn to select the film at Blockbuster and she’d picked

A Walk to Remember

. “Sorry. This is a lady movie,” my mother warned. When we had gotten home and saw it a family group, I didn’t reveal my personal tears. Or my personal need. I did not confess that I enjoyed the film and, more importantly, liked the lead. The year had been 2002 and between Mandy Moore in this movie and Avril Lavigne publishing the woman debut album, I’d found the 2 kinds of star crushes that will haunt the rest of my youth.

Star crushes indicate even more to queer men and women than they are doing to straight people. They can be our basic expressions of queer need or all of our very first expressions of sex jealousy. They can be a secure place to experiment cravings that are not prepared for any real-world.

That’s why this week we are speaking with author and podcaster Jordan Crucchiola about celebrity crushes. We talk about how celebrity thirsting seems comprehensive to Jordan as a panromantic grey asexual person. We discuss how I believe almost all of my personal star crushes are particular attainable. And, naturally, we explore the famous older ladies on Christina’s liquid container.

But first! Christina quizzes me on a topic i am aware little about — lesbian relationship books

PROGRAM NOTES

+ the actual relationship novels referenced within our online game had been:

The X Ingredient

,

Splitting Personality

,

Hotel Queens

,

Payback’s a Witch

, and

The Brutal Facts

.

+ My reference for two enthusiasts discussing a wall:

+ Christina’s reference for 2 fans sharing a wall:

+ listed below are each one of Jordan Crucchiola’s podcasts:

A Simple Podcast

The Movie Podcast

Aughtsterion

Disaster Women

Experiencing Noticed

+ My popular

Euphoria

recaps
.

+ If just like me, you may have no clue who Lindsay Shookus is actually,
here is a timeline
of her union with Mr. Jennifer Lopez.

+ This is very brave of myself, because I really don’t keep in mind every thing I wrote to my Tumblr, but listed here is a hyperlink to
my personal Nicole Kidman project
.

+

The

Angelina Jolie Moving Rock cover
.

+ an indication to view

P-Valley

also to read
Natalie’s insurance coverage
.

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EPISODE

Jordan:

Virtually whenever Jennifer Connelly’s face jumped on display screen, every time i simply moved, “Oh, Jesus.”

Christina:

(laughs)

Drew:

(laughs)

Jordan:

Like, audibly. I, like, gasped and “Oh, Jesus,” like every fucking time.

[theme song performs]

Drew:

Hi, I’m Drew.

Christina:

And I Also’m Christina.

Drew:

And thank you for visiting Hold Off, Is It A Romantic Date?.

Christina:

You know, Wait, So is this a night out together? is actually an Autostraddle podcast where I constantly forget about whom claims just what, it doesn’t matter what very long we have taped. Uh, I think which is in fact truly gorgeous. And my headsets merely fell quickly my personal head. So.

Drew:

So a substantial s—, strong start.

Christina:

A powerful start. But typically, its a podcast about online dating and, like, finding out exactly what relationship is actually assuming we understand simple tips to take action, like we find out if I learn how to keep my earphones to my really mind.

Drew:

That’s great. Um, I am Drew Gregory. I’m (laughs) I’m, uh… Or do you… But do you wish us to live on that longer? I’m acquiring looks.

Christina:

No, I’m just home…

Drew:

(laughs)

Christina:

…on me.

Drew:

Great.

Christina:

It is best if you talk, i believe. (laughs)

Drew:

Appropriate. Um, uh, my name is Drew Gregory. I’m a filmmaker and an author for Autostraddle. I’m a queer trans lady at the same time. Those are identification tags that You will find. Christina?

Christina:

Yes, absolutely. I’m Christina Tucker. I am additionally a writer at Autostraddle and a podcaster. And in all honesty, this month I’ve really and truly just already been like a girl about city. I Have actually just been like—

Drew:

Mm.

Christina:

—woman in particular, typically in several—

Drew:

Ooh.

Christina:

—beaches, uh, within the Jersey Shore.

Drew:

You truly have actually.

Christina:

Yet still experiencing very in particular and whimsical such that now I demonstrably believe fatigued by.

Drew:

Yes.

Christina:

I’m Ebony and gay, which stones for my situation.

Drew:

Everyone loves that. (laughs)

Christina:

Cool. I don’t know why I’m thus odd now. We, like, have no idea exactly who Im. What’s going on?

Drew:

It’s fine. We’re gonna keep goin’.

Christina:

What I possess, however, Drew, is actually a game title.

Drew:

Mm-hmm. Thank God.

Christina:

Which video game I Will Be evaluating your knowledge of something I know that you don’t have some understanding of, that will be—

Drew:

Oh God.

Christina:

–fun. Um, it is a… it’s called… I really don’t even have a name for it. I possibly should’ve looked at a reputation. But generally, I’ll offer you three lesbians over 50 brands, and you’re going—

Drew:

Ooh.

Christina:

—to have to let me know which are the genuine people associated with three.

Drew:

Okay.

Christina:

Two i’ve developed, a person is real. And you are going to have to choose the actual one and let me know what you think it’s about.

Drew:

Great. Okay.

Christina:

Isn’t it time?

Drew:

I’m. What a great game.

Christina:

Okay.

Drew:

(laughs)

Christina:

Right here we go. The most important three.

The X Ingredient

,

The It Element

, and

The Truth people

.

Drew:

Huh. It is amusing, ’cause you’ll believe that

The X Element

would in fact be

The X Element

and

The It Factor

, but—

Christina:

Certain.

Drew:

We wanna state… I just… Oh, i am hoping I am not unintentionally insulting you, but I believe like

The X Ingredient

could be the clunkiest, which means you won’t attended with that. It must be genuine.

Christina:

You may be appropriate. (laughs)

Drew:

Yes.

Christina:

(laughs)

Drew:

Wow, I’m very glad.

Christina:

Exactly what do you would imagine

The X Element

is all about?

Drew:

Um, i do believe truly about two lesbians who are exes and find yourself on the same real life cooking reveal that’s kind of like

Chopped

, but, like, approximately

Chopped

and

Fantastic British Baking Program

. Like, it goes on for a time but it has type of the sun and rain of

Chopped

. Um, and they are exes plus it… It really is kind of love a… I don’t know whether or not it would count as an enemies to enthusiasts simply because they had been fans at one point, but it’s like an exes to back collectively.

Christina:

I enjoy that. I also love that by asking you to share with me personally what you think these guides are about, I’ve simply made you produce relationship plots.

Drew:

I enjoy it.

Christina:

That’s actually enjoyable. Uh, unfortuitously

The X Element

is obviously, uh, about an assistant who rests with her manager. As soon as I started checking out it the other day on coastline, we said, “this really is definitely a

Devil Wears Prada

fanfic with which has changed into an actual guide.” And when I let you know I see the

Devil Wears Prada

fanfic, I sure have actually. In order for’s a journey.

Drew:

Hold off, but exactly why is it called

The X Element

?

Christina:

Well, in initial fanfic, the X component was… there clearly was some kind of reason why Miranda had all her assistants, uh, eat the girl out to orgasm. Um.

Drew:

Wow.

Christina:

Cannot actually keep in mind just what, the story, the backstory ,was on that, um, however in the fresh one, in this genuine released adaptation i will say, uh, the X ingredient i suppose is actually, I’m not sure, only, like, that the woman associate’s hot and she is similar, “Oh, Im homosexual now and I wanna have sexual intercourse with her.” Like, I’m not sure. The X component has been hot.

Drew:

Suitable for me. Okay.

Christina:

There you choose to go.

Drew:

Round two.

Christina:

Round two.

Reduced Hearts Club

…

Drew:

Uh-huh.

Christina:

…

Splitting Character

,

Opting for Broke

.

Drew:

Ooh, all those appear to be they could be real. I truly like it to be

Breaking Personality

, but i do believe

Reduced Hearts Club

is genuine.

Christina:

Sadly,

Broken Hearts Club

just isn’t actual. And lucky individually,

Breaking Character

is real.

Drew:

Oh my Jesus, I should’ve just gone using my instinct.

Christina:

Pick your abdomen, hottie.

Drew:


Splitting Personality

. Okay, it’s about a sort of such as the feminine Daniel Day-Lewis, like women star just who takes her strategy performing really severely, and she develops a relationship with her co-star. But her co-star, it is confusing both for her co-star and also for the star if co-star is within love together with her or in love together with her fictional character. And hijinks ensue.

Christina:

Frankly, that is not remote through the genuine land of

Splitting Personality

, which is in reality about two actresses, one that is, uh, already been labeled as a bitch it is not, it is simply being, uh, badmouthed by her showrunner because she’s on like a

Gray’s Structure

kind healthcare tv show—

Drew:

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Christina:

—that provides truly eliminated off the rails. Her fictional characteris the bitch.

Drew:

Mm-hmm.

Christina:

And, uh, the woman brand new co-star Summer — yes it’s true, the woman name’s Summer — is very charming and wonderful. And because of really bonkers plot explanations, they need to have a fake commitment. Nonetheless They’re both gay so…

Drew:

So absolutely nothing happens. They don’t establish any feelings.

Christina:

Yeah, so they really you should not… Yeah, absolutely nothing.

Drew:

They never hook up. No.

Christina:

Absolutely nothing happens. They never mention it and so they do not have intercourse.

Drew:

Mm-hmm.

Christina:

Yep, which is precisely what occurs.

Drew:

Sometimes that’s the way it goes.

Christina:

Fine, your next three.

Resort Queens

,

Media Moguls

, or

Restaurant Monarchs

.

Drew:

Okay, I Am going to follow my instinct and pick the one that I Do Want To be real—

Christina:

Okay.

Drew:

—and hope that which is real.

Resort Queens

.

Christina:


Resort Queens

is actually actual.

Drew:

Wow, I Am eliminating it. (laughs)

Christina:

You’re destroying this. For a person who does maybe not review a ton of lesbian love, uh, it is inside bloodstream, hottie.

Drew:

Okay, i will today state the story that I’m hoping it is, though i am confident based on my comprehension of publishing business this isn’t the scenario. But Needs it to be about two participants on a show comparable to, like,

Drag Race

’cause you’re not truly meant to, like, be in each other’s areas but, you are sure that, they remain in a lodge for the entire filming on the program. So they really establish, like, a sort of dramatic affair that for some time cannot be consummated, but their areas are next to each other so they, like, knock on the wall surface between all of them and when they’re filming, there is like most of the stress and it is… And yeah, that’s, that’s what I want

Resort Queens

as in regards to.

Christina:

That appears quite hot. Um, that’s not just what

Resort Queens

is approximately. It is simply about a woman exactly who operates accommodations and, uh, an other woman just who runs a competing lodge.

Drew:

Sure, sure.

Christina:

Who works for a fighting resort sequence and, uh—

Drew:

Sure, sure, certain.

Christina:

—quite literally tend to be resort queens.

Drew:

Sure, sure.

Christina:

But Everyone loves that electricity. I like the knocking on the… extremely, uh,

hit 3 times regarding the threshold if you like me personally

power, that I like.

Drew:

I happened to be referencing

Excellent Celebrity

, and that I like every, Everyone loves our very own different cultural factors, you know.

Christina:

I adore our brains.

Drew:

Yeah.

Christina:

I believe brains are gorgeous.

Drew:

Yeah.

Christina:

Fine,

Paid in haven

.

Drew:

Ooh.

Christina:


The Repayment Plan

.

Drew:

Ooh.

Christina:


Payback’s a Witch

.

Drew:

Oh,

Payback’s a Witch

sounds fun. I want with

Payback’s a Witch

.

Christina:


Payback’s a Witch

. As well as being fun ’cause it’s a real guide.

Drew:

Cool.

Christina:

Tell me what you believe

Payback’s a Witch

is about.

Drew:

Okay, I Acquired it.

Christina:

Okay.

Drew:

So a gay witch is battling to produce rent during the early several months regarding the pandemic.

Christina:

(laughs)

Drew:

And property owner is much like, “No, you need to nevertheless provide cash.” And she actually is want, “But have a look, like, all these… you are aware, like, you simply can’t evict me personally,” and all of these various things and like, “you ought to give me some slack,” and “It’s a pandemic.” Together with property owner’s like, “No, I’m a landlord. I detest you.”

And therefore after that she is like… She goes, “No, I’m a witch,” and therefore then she starts tormenting the landlord. Really Love tale isn’t together with the property manager, maybe not an enemies-to-lovers circumstance because—

Christina:

‘Cause landlords tend to be bad. Sure. (laughs)

Drew:

But really she discovers that her neighbor can also be a witch and in addition a lesbian, so that they torment the landlord collectively and fall-in really love as you go along. It type of provides like a Roald Dahl energy, like

The Twits

. Or

Great Mr. Fox

. Like, there’s not actually, like… There’s not a lot of conflict as soon as the preliminary conflict happens. Like, the pair of them simply are just like, “We’re both witches. We’re going to torment this person whom is entitled to be tormented.” Immediately after which they will have sex.

Christina:

That is actually truly gorgeous. Uh,

Payback’s a Witch

means, as an alternative, a lady that is, you guessed it, a witch who comes back to her hometown in which this is the just spot that she can perform magic—

Drew:

Ooh.

Christina:

—because absolutely like a magic lake. She’s got been without capabilities.

Drew:

Fun. Ooh.

Christina:

Um, and she satisfies a, a woman she had a crush in high-school. Uh, there is like a complete a long time, like, secret world-building thing using area therefore the people that run the city. They gather. It’s very sweet. Fun publication,

Payback’s a Witch

.

Drew:

Truthfully, associated with people to date, this is the one I would personally many wanna study.

Christina:


Payback’s a Witch

is really fun. Uh, there can be a sequel to that guide, but it is unfortunately about directly individuals. So.

Drew:

Crazy.

Christina:

You victory some, you shed some. Okay, listed here is our last any.

Trustworthiness and Second Opportunities

,

When Facts Satisfies Fiction

—

Drew:

Ooh.

Christina:

—or

The Brutal Reality

.

Drew:

Ooh. I’m gonna go with

When Facts Meets Fiction

.

Christina:

Mm, which unfortuitously from my brain by yourself. Uh,

The Brutal Facts

, but…

Drew:

The good thing is that

The Brutal Reality

and

When Truth Meets Fiction

, I think both are a comparable thing and that’s—

Christina:

Yeah, they would be.

Drew:

—novel-length fanfiction of

The Day Program

as well as Bradley Jackson along with her truth-telling. But we imagine when it was actually posted, for copyright factors they did must transform some particulars. So her name’s perhaps not Bradley Jackson any longer, however it is in the same way plotted.

Christina:

And That’s an embarrassment because Bradley Jackson is actually leading among the greatest character brands ever before place to report, um, despite how—

Drew:

Completely.

Christina:

—ridiculous every little thing about any of it is actually. But congratulations on that Emmy nom, Reese.

Drew:

(laughs)

Christina:

(laughs)

The Brutal Facts

is approximately a mass media mogul who gets control of a battling report and falls deeply in love with the criminal activity publisher, just who writes—

Drew:

Ooh.

Christina:

—at the night. Uh, they have an extremely nice coming collectively. The mass media mogul is clearly extremely mean and like 2 decades older than this woman is. It’s really amazing material.

Drew:

Yes.

Christina:

And that I will, because I worry a whole lot in regards to our listeners, clearly feature website links to of those actual guides for the tv series notes.

Drew:

Incredible.

Christina:

Therefore the remainder of them, might go-back into my personal head in which they belong. Additionally, coming up with titles of publications… Like I am able to come up with plots for a romance novels the whole day. Titles is, like, really shockingly challenging.

Drew:

Yeah, you probably did really good.

Christina:

Many thanks. I simply required that match.

Drew:

(laughs)

Christina:

Our very special visitor is one of the best individuals to thirst about famous people with. Thus special visitor, why not present your self so we can get into celeb crush chat?

Jordan:

Uh, hello. Hi, Christina. It’s a— And Drew. Hello. We, I’m Jordan Crucchiola. And in case you tune in to any one of my personal podcasts, maybe you have started because of the Easy Podcast which I performed with Christina. So when I said once I signed onto this chat, the last time we had been on a pod with each other was actually once we were interviewing Blake Lively.

Christina:

And, as I remember, texting feverishly, uh, off-mic—

Jordan:

Yeah.

Christina:

—about wow, Blake Livelyis just in slightly Zoom spot.

Jordan:

(laughs)

Drew:

(laughs)

Christina:

There this woman is. She’s got a great deal hair. What is taking place? She actually is talkin’ to us for such a long time.

Jordan:

Opt for God, Blake. Thank-you.

Christina:

It actually was untamed instances. Crazy times.

Jordan:

(laughs)

Drew:

Want to say a little more about who you really are?

Jordan:

Sure, sure. Um, I, I would like to point out that i’m an individual who enjoys Drew Gregory’s what I consider become definitive

Euphoria

recaps.

Christina:

(laughs)

Drew:

Wow. thanks.

Jordan:

There is certain one in which, um… since program helps make me personally thus excessively… Hunter Schafer is actually, uh, an angel from God.

Christina:

Yeah.

Jordan:

As well as the show can make myself incredibly uncomfortable in how unmarried brain trust creator, executor, producer, manager, blogger, gazes upon Hunter.

Christina:

Mm-hmm.

Drew:

Yeah.